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General discussion about Divine Journey 2.
Between 09/04/2021 00:00 and 09/04/2021 01:20
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:00
ok I have 12 chimes 2 drums eagle whistle rattle and apns flute but I cant summon the boss help
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What's the fastest way to grow baffle caps?
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they exist
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Lewislovespotoo
ok I have 12 chimes 2 drums eagle whistle rattle and apns flute but I cant summon the boss help
i did mine with two people, gave my friend the flute and i swapped between the whistle rattle and drums
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:01
sad I have no friends lol
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you can do it solo tho
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Lewislovespotoo
sad I have no friends lol
Same
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oh hey chad
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TIKKLE
oh hey chad
Hey
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Troxaurus made a video of an easy totemic setup
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@Lewislovespotoo
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:14
fuck I cant do it fas enough becuase of my disability
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i'm gonna cheat in the boss
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but fight him the legit way
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Sounds like a plan πŸ‘
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:16
yeah complaints were made asking for an alternative way that doesnt involve cheating @Lewislovespotoo
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so far the modpack creator has said no but still waiting on an answer
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sorry you had to cheat the boss in
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this is really silly
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i dont know how to code, but i think a potential solution is lower both the amount of music required and the cap of the instruments
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so its easier to hit the cap
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but you still need all instruments
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:17
theres no config options for that in totemic sadly
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that blows wtf
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:17
realistic way is to make all the items needed craftable
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yeah like combine the instruments in some sort of recipe
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to make a spawn egg
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idk
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:18
yea for example
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or just crafting the bow directly or smth
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in the end its up to the creator whether he decides to implement an alternative or not
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still use the instruments tho or else u gotta rework the whole chapter and thats tedious
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:19
i’ll be sad if he says no though, seeing as how many people are struggling with this
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its so click intensive lol
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i had no problems but i can see why people do
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is it possible to extend the time you have to do the ritual
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:19
yea for sure
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i was able to do it too
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so you still need all the stuff for it but dont have to rush
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is it possible to extend the time you have to do the ritual
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:20
only way available is by putting on easy difficulty
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no config options for it
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and im assuming changing the actual contents of the mod is a no no?
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:20
well, i dont even know if its open source
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:20
if it is anyone could go and fork it and change that
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but the creator would have to use that specific version and stuff
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its definitely possible if its open source
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It's open source pog
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A Minecraft mod that allows you to control the world through the power of Totem Poles - GitHub - TeamTotemic/Totemic: A Minecraft mod that allows you to control the world through the power of Totem...
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A Minecraft mod that allows you to control the world through the power of Totem Poles - Totemic/LICENSE at 1.16 · TeamTotemic/Totemic
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could also open a pr to see if the dev accepts it
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idk if they still mantain the 1.12 ver
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probably not
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:22
most likely not
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the 1.12.2 version was last updated 2 years ago
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:23
only possibility would be to fork it yourself or make some type of addon mod that changes the behaviour
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but thats alot of effort without confirmation from atricos that he would even want that
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because in the end even if you provide a perfectly working solution that still preserves the rituals, its still their decision
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:24
right now the answer is β€œsimply cheat in the items”
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and it sucks that thats the experience people have
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:24
which is a non-solution
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it solves nothing
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cause totemic is extremely useful
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:25
yea for sure
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i use it for zaphkiel waltz and rite of spring
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:27
I killed him by trapping him in a hole lets go
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if the rituals are too difficult, the difficulty can always be changed to easy
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Lewislovespotoo
I killed him by trapping him in a hole lets go
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:27
classic
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the thing is
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my server is set to eas
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y
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and we still struggled
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:27
easy difficulty only increases the time by 10%
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and for ppl with disabilities like lewis it might be impossible even then
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β€œjust lower the difficulty” is not a solution ^^
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thats also true
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just get a friend isnt a solution either bc singleplayer
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:29
just cheat it in isnt a solution in multiplayer either
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yeahhh
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:29
what does a heart amulet do?
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you can put canisters in it and get extra health!
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up to 10 of each color
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red, orange, yellow, and green i think?
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or red yellow green blue?
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idk
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:30
ok
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so its better then just putting on heart canisters
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wait
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what
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think i misunderstood
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Lewislovespotoo 09/04/2021 00:32
well you equip them right?
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Lily ❀
just cheat it in isnt a solution in multiplayer either
I showed an easy way to complete ceremonies, you just need to copy what I did
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you equip the amulet
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put canisters in the amulet
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tomorrow i might start with Applied, and get a excavator
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my stream went to shit when i realized the diesel gen price
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Troxarus
I showed an easy way to complete ceremonies, you just need to copy what I did
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:38
well the person who complained literally tried and said they are unable to do it because of their disability. what exactly is your point here? β€œjust do it 4head”? (edited)
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:39
its incredibly ableist.
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just because something works for you and me, or for the majority, doesnt mean it works for everyone
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Nobody is forcing anyone to play the pack
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Unhook
Nobody is forcing anyone to play the pack
indeed, tho i think atricos could add something for people that cant/hate totemic, just as he added for twilight
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:41
^
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i think its different from twilight, but such an intense mod as chapter 2 is kinda nuts
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i cant relate about the difficulty, but its important to integrate the modpack's community
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:42
100%
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making as many people as possible feel included
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and not alienated by a single chapter
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right like the whole point is to make a pack thats accessible to everyone. the difficulty shouldnt come from a blind spot of a mod
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:43
exactly. like, chapter 2, totemic, shouldnt be the hard part of the modpack
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it shouldnt be what stops you from progressing
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fork time
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the hard part should be the machines and late game πŸ˜„
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:43
expert packs are a time investment.
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the difficulty comes into how much work and time you need to put in
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you cant just throw more time and these rituals and solve it that way if you have fundamental problems stopping you from finishing them
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:44
its such a silly thing to get hung up on imo
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The whole point is that it doesn't stop you. But whether or not Totemic is a good mod in the first place is another question
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the totemic 1.12.2 branch no longer compiles
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one of the repos seems to be offline
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:44
But it does stop you in some cases, such as the person who complained above
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nevermind
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the repo was just moved
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happydge
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:45
Either way, i dont think its unreasonable to ask for an alternative
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:45
But in the end all we can do is ask
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And hope atricos listens
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My setup requires you to move a single finger.
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i think its unreasonable and i have a disability lol
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alright, but it also means you have to experiment for a long time to figure it out or be lucky when you ask the server on how to do ot
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it
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:46
It requires you to jump while holding down/spamming right click and switching hotbar slots
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thats not a single finger
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But either way thats besides the point
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also yeah thats 3 buttons
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so if you can only use one arm for example
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:47
The point is, even if its a single finger, and it works for you, doesnt mean it will work for everyone
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I said 'moving a single finger'. space and my right mosue button were pressed down, I didn't move them a single bit (edited)
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:47
Like it might sound like such an impossibility for you, but it isnt
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You can literally cheat items in if you're in singeplayer. If you're in multiplayer just ask someone to help you? Isn't that the point of playing on a server
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and you have to be lucky for someone to say yes???
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:47
Again thats a non-solution. It shouldnt be required
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cheating isnt a solutiok either
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lol
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its bad design
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:47
None of those should be required
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hope
its bad design
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:47
Exactly this.
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It isn't required. That someone is incapable of completing a ritual is not the issue of the pack author
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:48
It is though, its a problem with the pack
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lol
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No it literally isn't lol
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it is literally a problem with the pack.
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No, it is a problem with said person
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can anyone tell me
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what sevtech ages did
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they made the conscious design choice to put in a mod that is inaccessible to people
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to skip totemic?
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:48
Then why are you making the same point that doesnt work here? There are edge cases everywhere. Some people might struggle more than even you do
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\for the people that cant do it?
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sevtech ages
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huge pack
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did they help you skip totemic?
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im curious
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you dont need to fight baykok iirc
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:49
cant recall
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you did
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need to fight baykok
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you do?
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yes
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ZaksterNZ
did they help you skip totemic?
no
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i thought it was completely optional
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hm
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bro this shit is so stupid
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when did you need to fight him?
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its been a while
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but i had to fight him
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i really tried to rush through it
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theres an advancement for it but i never had to use the bow
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i thought i wouldve found a way around it
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the amount of times I now just do a manual backup lol
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I agree that it's not a good mod but that is another debate
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yes but like
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did someone brigade sevtechs discord
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and github
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going on and on about how ableist it is?
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yeah if it was reasonable in sevtech why is it not here
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i struggled
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i cheated myself in pans flute
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but once i had it all setup properly
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really?
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it was fine
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i still think the totemic chapter or mod needs some kind of rework
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DrTasslehoff 09/04/2021 00:51
sevtech never made you fight baykok. all that did for you was give you access to bow and arrows an age or so earlier
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yeah thats what i thought
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ok
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did it make you use totems
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cause baykok isnt the issue lily has
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its totemic in general
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its the buffalo dance
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its the eagles
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DrTasslehoff
sevtech never made you fight baykok. all that did for you was give you access to bow and arrows an age or so earlier
But many people are struggling with the earlier ceremonies too as far as I know
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^^^^
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really?
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yeah, and lily is going on like its an ableism thing
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ive heard people complain about them, but ive only heard about baykok being uncompletable
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DrTasslehoff 09/04/2021 00:52
Right, it's just general totemic stuff. Rituals aren't always trivial to complete.
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Nobody went up in arms about it though
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totally unfair to atricos
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It is unfair to atricos
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imagine spending 18 months working on something youre super excited about
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release it
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then get brigaded by ableism gang for 3 days
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yall gotta stop
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i mean
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and figure ur own way around shit
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it is just 1 person that said it was ableist
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dude
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shes beeing going on
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for days
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im not saying its ableist, im saying its a bad mod
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And a few other people were calling atricos ignorant on github too
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right?
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not fair
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sick of seeing it
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i never even talk in these communities
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but this has got me so riled up
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its unfair to call atricos ableist, but its not unfair to ask him to change it
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 00:54
how is it ableist again?
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people w disabilities cant complete it was the argument
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how about
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just make it slightly easier
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in general
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like literally just make it a little easier
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 00:55
there isn't anything Atricos can do about that
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this is an expert pack meant to push mods to limits ?
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put iut on easy mode
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It's not that hard tho
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it makes it easier
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 00:55
if you can't beat the ritual, cheat it in
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its recipes
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expert is harder recipes and automation
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no its not despair
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ths difficulty of totemic is not fitting
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expert is
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the top
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the hardesty
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:56
i said that saying β€œits easy, just do this, it worked for me, its just one finger” is ableist. i might have said that atricos’ stance on the matter is ableist at some point, and i do personally regret saying that. i think its more correct to say that its an unfair stance. the fact that this one thing in chapter 2 is gating some people from progressing because its impossible for them is silly.
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of everything
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no i get that, but
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totemics difficulty is not the same as any other difficulty in this pack
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it makes NO sense
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yes it is lol
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have you been to the nether
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chapter 1, 3, and 4 are like
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so much easier
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:57
i found the totemic chapter easy
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totemic just needs a lot of spamming
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:57
im not complaining for myself
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im on chapter 11 bro
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and slot alternation
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 00:57
well it depends on the disability
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 00:57
im complaining because i see people unable to do it, and their experience gets ruined
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literally nothing has been as awful as totemic has.
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 00:57
but would someone who physically can't complete the baykok ritual be able to not get killed by the nether or other mods
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honestly sick of kids hoping on expert packs and complaining about things
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dude???
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i just said im on chapter 11?
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hope
literally nothing has been as awful as totemic has.
maybe diesel generator materials
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my opinion is that totemic is pushing players away from the modpack for no reason
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other than mechanics are bad
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you hit the wrong reply
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troxarus - thats what lilys argument is saying tho
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this is his modpack >.< we all just gotta git gud
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but like
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why arent we allowed to ask for change
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thats a bad way of looking at it
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lmao just spawn the items
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how is this hard if you don't want to do it don't (edited)
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Asking for change is always good, but DEMANDING change is the problem here tbh
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People have asked in github already tho and he said just to cheat it in
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So he already denied changing it
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didnt know that
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i mean
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alright then
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like i dont demand totemic be changed
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i just think its really out of place in this pack
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You don't, but others are
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yeah i get that
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 01:00
its designed to introduce you to magic
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lol i woke up and saw these messages after seeing github get spammed yesterday and snapped, im going to go back to the shadows c:
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 01:00
but yeah tbf it isn't used very much at all after the beginning
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Totemic is balls anyway
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chloecat34 09/04/2021 01:00
since therre isn't anything in it to automate really
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besides maybe auto spawning the eagle/buffalo
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also like that too
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totemic is barely used
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DrTasslehoff 09/04/2021 01:01
medicine bags are dope though
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mekanism and ie and stuff is all like used later
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i dont see the point of going through a mod if its not used in endgame
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Lily ❀
im not complaining for myself
Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:01
Me who struggled Pepelaughingpoint
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I appreciate that it's 'underapreciated', but I completed it in SevTech and have no desire to do it again
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chloecat34
its designed to introduce you to magic
magic is just fantasy themed tech change my mind
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i think blood magic and astral sorcery are very good at not being fantasy tech
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but botania is literally just tech
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melncat
magic is just fantasy themed tech change my mind
Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:02
meh
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all mods are tech
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Deleted User
Me who struggled Pepelaughingpoint
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:03
Akashi πŸ˜‚
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it's perfectly reasonable to ask for a change to certain things, whether it be the spawn rate of imps or providing some way to make totemic rituals easier unfortunately i think someone in here mentioned before that there isn't an easy way through the config to fix it, but im sure they can figure something out
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:03
its for you akashi
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i mean also
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:03
WorryWheeze WorryWheeze
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dev just said he isnt gonna change it
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so
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apparently if you create a new profile with the name of an existing profile
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it'll merge with the existing one
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:04
A response such as β€œimplement a PR to fix this” would be totally acceptable in my eyes. No one has infinite time and i wouldnt expect atricos to fix every single small issue in the pack by themselves. Thats why its open source
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But that wasnt even the response
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But oh well
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I wasnt even the one that made the github issue for what its worth
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I just gave my opinion there
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It aint just me making these complaints ^^
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youre the one that called him ignorant
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and ableist
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thats you.
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is dark oak saps not growing for anyone else
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:07
I do not take back calling him ignorant of other ppl’s issues. He said β€œits just spamming”. Which in the end is another ableist argument ive also criticized ppl over here in the discord for. If i did say ableist, i admit its a strong word, but I dont think its technically wrong, objectively speaking. Thinking that someone with a disability can do the same thing you can because β€œits easy! its just spamming!”, and refusing anyone saying otherwise, is indeed ableist
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ok i made a fork that allows adding a modifier to the time
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this chat is something else right now
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I finished totemic solo with 3 fingers
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Zanda
is dark oak saps not growing for anyone else
do u have a 2x2 of saps
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Lily ❀
I do not take back calling him ignorant of other ppl’s issues. He said β€œits just spamming”. Which in the end is another ableist argument ive also criticized ppl over here in the discord for. If i did say ableist, i admit its a strong word, but I dont think its technically wrong, objectively speaking. Thinking that someone with a disability can do the same thing you can because β€œits easy! its just spamming!”, and refusing anyone saying otherwise, is indeed ableist
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:08
Thats my opinion. You’re free to disagree
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Stop throwing around the word ableist
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:08
But some people like to complain haha
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hope
do u have a 2x2 of saps
ah no i do not
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thats why :) they have to be a 2x2
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:09
Lily, your opinion is a bad opinion
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It's ok to be wrong
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totemic fun edition
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Pog, curseforge wouldn't allow it tho so it would have to be something people install manually
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:11
You’re free to feel that way. I never expected a ton of support anyway, considering how much abelism disabled folks face just in their daily lives anyway.
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This is a free modpack created by someone who did it for his own reasons. You are not entitled to have things fixed because you or even the majority of the community dislike them. It is his modpack, you have the choice not to play it. Because it is his, he is allowed to leave things as he sees is appropriate and calling him ableist for it is incredibly childish.
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You're a child. No one is being ableist because of totemic
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You're delusional
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melncat
totemic fun edition
you must have hit that drum really hard whoa
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:11
Lily, you are being a dumb dumb
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:12
Oh no, of course im not entitled. I pleaded my argument and asked through the proper channels. I cant force atricos to implement anything lol. But I am entitled to my own opinion, no matter what yall think. I do feel like an alternative should be implemented, so i voiced my support for it. Thats all really.
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and then you called atricos ableist
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that too
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Is this #drama?
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No, that's not all really. Because after you didn't get your way you came in here and started throwing around the word ableist. That's the issue.
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:12
Yeah that too. And I still believe i have ample reason to do so.
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See, that's your problem.
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Lily ❀
Yeah that too. And I still believe i have ample reason to do so.
Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:13
nah you don’t
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I'm out, just wanted to yell at the idiot. I'll be back when chat is normal again
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:13
Again, yall are allowed to disagree. Just as im allowed to have this opinion, and to believe the basis through which I have substantiated it
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:13
We can just call each other stupid and be done with it ^^
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Im not that fussed if ppl disagree in the end
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:14
You were the one that started with the insults πŸ˜‰
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:14
Ableist isnt an insult, friend
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its a strong accusation though
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:14
Well, I guess it can be lol
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troxasaurus literally gave a solution for it
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Disabilities do not equate insults
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:15
calling someone ignorant and ableist without any prove is an insult
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:15
Its certainly an accusation, and like I said I believe I have plenty of reason to make that accusation.
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I got a solution!
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Cheat it in!
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i cant imagine this discussion going anywhere useful at this point lol
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:15
I stated my reasons. If you agree with my reasoning, the β€œproof” is right there on github, and on this chat (edited)
01:16
Like I literally explained why I said what I said, the reasons why I believe the word applies. In the end its not a baseless accusation. At the very worst its simply incorrect.
01:17
In the end, yall wont be able to change my mind, and I doubt I can change yall’s mind too.
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at the very worst it tarnishes his reputation wtf?
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DrTasslehoff 09/04/2021 01:17
It's important to not make a crusade for people not asking for a crusade. Also the way you go about this entire thing isn't the best way to go about it
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You are allowed to have opinions and ideas but this conversation has been going on for an hour and is no longer contributing anything
01:17
Please stop
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Who ever cant get thru the totemic stage, will probably quit halfway
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:17
Well seeing as ppl disagree en masse, how could it? Its not like im going around spreading it saying β€œx is ableist! have you heard the news?”
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:18
Lily is a racist.
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:18
I am just speaking in the context of this server, in the context of this community and this modpack. Im not spreading stuff
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:18
This might be a false accusastion, but at worst its simply incorrect, right? πŸ˜‰
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Heh 😏
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Nice weather today, ey?
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didnt ringu just say to stop
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Definitely!
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Deleted User
This might be a false accusastion, but at worst its simply incorrect, right? πŸ˜‰
Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:18
Well, no, thats a baseless accusation because you have not stated the reasons you think that
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what stage is everyone on
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Clear skies
01:18
Mekanism
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Just reached AE2 and mekanism
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whats everyone current goals :)
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Started a few hours ago, and currently taking a break
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ae2 is so good
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Gun :)
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:19
Why even continue the discussion, no one will change their mind. Let’s just drop this topic
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Lily ❀ 09/04/2021 01:19
Id say that from worst to least bad, you have Not providing a reason -> Providing a disingenuous reason -> Being incorrect
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Current goal? AE2, Dream? No more mining.
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god i feel that
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Ringu
Please stop
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Deleted User 09/04/2021 01:19
Mining is the worst
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here
01:19
have a fork
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A Minecraft mod that allows you to control the world through the power of Totem Poles - GitHub - MelnCat/Totemic at 1.12.2
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ive spent a good 3 hours gathering resources for my current goal
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Immersive engineering excavators are nice but hella expensive
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